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DCS
Sept 9, 2023 14:26:28 GMT
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Post by dburne on Sept 9, 2023 14:26:28 GMT
Probably the hardest thing to learn to do in DCS is air to air refueling. Yes even harder than carrier traps. Here it is with the Hornet:
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DCS
Sept 11, 2023 8:53:12 GMT
Post by Rune on Sept 11, 2023 8:53:12 GMT
After the wife gave me an 8TB SSD for my birthday, I have about 10TB of free space. So why no try some DCS? :-) Said 300GB on Steam, but the download is only 85GB - should unfold to 142GB, so no big deal. I'm ready for some flying in a few hours - I mean how hard can it be to control a plane, got my male intuition (and did play Sega Afterburner a lot) - I'll figure it all out in a minute or two! I'm way out of my comfort zone, hope there's a free plane to pilot - I don't plan on buying anything, Steam says the game is free... Just wanted to experience graphics and performance etc. Hope it works with VR controllers too - not fond of having to set up hotas, but can do that if required...
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DCS
Sept 11, 2023 13:40:41 GMT
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Post by dburne on Sept 11, 2023 13:40:41 GMT
After the wife gave me an 8TB SSD for my birthday, I have about 10TB of free space. So why no try some DCS? :-) Said 300GB on Steam, but the download is only 85GB - should unfold to 142GB, so no big deal. I'm ready for some flying in a few hours - I mean how hard can it be to control a plane, got my male intuition (and did play Sega Afterburner a lot) - I'll figure it all out in a minute or two! I'm way out of my comfort zone, hope there's a free plane to pilot - I don't plan on buying anything, Steam says the game is free... Just wanted to experience graphics and performance etc. Hope it works with VR controllers too - not fond of having to set up hotas, but can do that if required... Lol - you will see. Heck I am still learning the Hornet and have well over 200 hours in it. You did the free version right? Yes it has couple of free planes, a Russian jet I believe and a P-51. I will tell ya it does not get more hard core than DCS - not even MSFS 2020 does. Yes it has some limited VR controller support - but ideally you will want your HOTAS for sure. Learning curve = very steep.
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DCS
Sept 11, 2023 15:26:19 GMT
Post by Rune on Sept 11, 2023 15:26:19 GMT
After the wife gave me an 8TB SSD for my birthday, I have about 10TB of free space. So why no try some DCS? :-) Said 300GB on Steam, but the download is only 85GB - should unfold to 142GB, so no big deal. I'm ready for some flying in a few hours - I mean how hard can it be to control a plane, got my male intuition (and did play Sega Afterburner a lot) - I'll figure it all out in a minute or two! I'm way out of my comfort zone, hope there's a free plane to pilot - I don't plan on buying anything, Steam says the game is free... Just wanted to experience graphics and performance etc. Hope it works with VR controllers too - not fond of having to set up hotas, but can do that if required... Lol - you will see. Heck I am still learning the Hornet and have well over 200 hours in it. You did the free version right? Yes it has couple of free planes, a Russian jet I believe and a P-51. I will tell ya it does not get more hard core than DCS - not even MSFS 2020 does. Yes it has some limited VR controller support - but ideally you will want your HOTAS for sure. Learning curve = very steep. Can't be worse than Elite Dangerous VR, lol - after some years I'm able to get the ship out of the hangar - and sometimes I find the right key to pull up the landing gear :-) DCS is now installed, I'll try it later tonight - looking forward to crashing planes - that is, in the fortunate event I get them off the ground...
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DCS
Sept 11, 2023 19:52:05 GMT
Post by dburne on Sept 11, 2023 19:52:05 GMT
Lol - you will see. Heck I am still learning the Hornet and have well over 200 hours in it. You did the free version right? Yes it has couple of free planes, a Russian jet I believe and a P-51. I will tell ya it does not get more hard core than DCS - not even MSFS 2020 does. Yes it has some limited VR controller support - but ideally you will want your HOTAS for sure. Learning curve = very steep. Can't be worse than Elite Dangerous VR, lol - after some years I'm able to get the ship out of the hangar - and sometimes I find the right key to pull up the landing gear :-) DCS is now installed, I'll try it later tonight - looking forward to crashing planes - that is, in the fortunate event I get them off the ground... I am not sure I would use the term worse than Elite Dangerous, but certainly probably little more complex. Also your going from fantasy with ED to full out realism with DCS. DCS does have better controller support though on the HOTAS side, 128 button limit - ED still living in the past with a 32 button limit afaik. I did not have much trouble getting in and out of space dock though - but just could not really get into the game overall. And yeah I used HOTAS with it.
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DCS
Sept 11, 2023 20:19:07 GMT
Post by Rune on Sept 11, 2023 20:19:07 GMT
Just tried the game - it's very impressive. Thinking that DCS would make me cry for a faster gpu, I was very surprised by the great performance (it seems to be using native SteamVR drivers for Index, not OpenXR, also I got the DCS Steam version). Surely, it's not like 144 fps with Index res 400%, but it really felt close to 80 fps with Index res 200%. And the game has the best use of motion smoothing I've seen for long - really turns 40 fps into 80 fps so greatly that the difference to real 80 fps is minimal and often will go unnoticed. Not sure I've seen any other game profit this perfectly from motion smoothing - it's my new reference for that. I ended up using 80 Hz with motion smoothing and an insane Index res 350% (about 30 million pixel per frame combining both eyes) - and I upped many settings: Motion Blur caused severe ghosting, I don't think it works properly in VR, better leave it off. SSAO and SSSLR does make the towns and tree look better, and cost much performance - and really isn't worth it. Any settings you'd recommend or avoid? Now using res 350% really clears up the image - I've seen many blurry images from Index in DCS, and image quality is very poor using Index res 100% - but it's really good using Index res 350% (could use Index res 400% too, but now performance started tanking, even with motion smoothing): Examples of image quality - taken while wearing the Index hmd: Everything is very sharp using Index res 350%. The above image is reduced in res to make it faster to load - this is the real image sent to one Index panel 1:1: This is not through the lens, but it looks much the same in the hmd - also because you got full 3D in the hmd, and your brain turns two images into one. Image quality was much better than I had hoped for - more dials and instruments: Of course no match for the Aero - but still I'm very impressed by the Index image quality and for being able to experience this in what looks like true 80 fps (ok, can see it's not perfect with fast hand movements, but is with the landscape passing by - I only tested free flight, so not much going on). The sun/lighting effects, clouds and view distance are impressive too: I've only been using the sim for about an hour, and have not been engaged in battles. Maybe I'll need to turn down settings more in big battles... Also - very impressive - you do not need HOTAS for the game, you can use your VR motion controllers to control the stick and throttle (just like in VTOL). Well, at least for now - I only tried the free flight where you start airborne :-) Btw - I'm so proud, my first landing! {Spoiler}
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DCS
Sept 11, 2023 23:06:29 GMT
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Post by dburne on Sept 11, 2023 23:06:29 GMT
Sorry Rune, thought I had mentioned it - you should not have got the Steam version. Regular stand alone Open Beta would be the ideal one to have gotten. My bad sorry. Turn SSLR and SSAO off. Don't need them and not that effective. You should be able to run Steam VR's Open XR, just not sure about running it through Steam though that I have no idea. Maybe give it a try once you settle in with Steam VR comfortably. Turn lens effect off. Depth of field to off. Here are my settings - but understand I am running Dynamic Foveated Rendering with Eye Tracking which makes a HUGE difference in performance - and yeah it is breathtaking for sure. I never could run higher than 2x MSAA till I got eye tracked DFR, now it hardly breaks a sweat with 4x MSAA. Prior to DFR I could not run near those higher settings that I am now. Attachments:
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DCS
Sept 12, 2023 15:22:30 GMT
Post by Rune on Sept 12, 2023 15:22:30 GMT
Sorry Rune, thought I had mentioned it - you should not have got the Steam version. Regular stand alone Open Beta would be the ideal one to have gotten. My bad sorry. Turn SSLR and SSAO off. Don't need them and not that effective. You should be able to run Steam VR's Open XR, just not sure about running it through Steam though that I have no idea. Maybe give it a try once you settle in with Steam VR comfortably. Turn lens effect off. Depth of field to off. Here are my settings - but understand I am running Dynamic Foveated Rendering with Eye Tracking which makes a HUGE difference in performance - and yeah it is breathtaking for sure. I never could run higher than 2x MSAA till I got eye tracked DFR, now it hardly breaks a sweat with 4x MSAA. Prior to DFR I could not run near those higher settings that I am now. The Steam version is free - I can just uninstall it and install the other version - but the Steam version does have awesome performance, so not sure I'll gain anything by going OpenXR. OpenXR is set to the Oculus Desktop App on my rig right now - that's why I'm sure native SteamVR drivers are used. I'm compensating for 4xMSAA by using Index res 350% - maybe better with lower res and more MSAA - I'll test it later :-) Some dude said the main advantage of getting DCS outside Steam is 50% lower prices on planes - I have not checked that out. Currently prices are up to 60% off on Steam. If you just wanna use some free flight to enjoy some pacific islands and the sun - are there any planes you'd recommend?
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DCS
Sept 13, 2023 0:01:44 GMT
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Post by dburne on Sept 13, 2023 0:01:44 GMT
Base version of game with Caucasus Map and 2 planes is free, has always been - Steam or not. Anyway you already have Steam version so might as well stick with it. Some things are different though through Steam so I may not be able to help on all things you might run across with the Steam version. WWII - Spitfire would be very nice for touring imho. Or the free P-51 you got with it would be also. They (DCS) had a free to play program where you could download , install, and fly any of their planes for up to 2 weeks to decide. I think that program is still in effect - but not sure it is available on Steam version of the game. www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2023-07-21/
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DCS
Sept 13, 2023 11:45:58 GMT
Post by Rune on Sept 13, 2023 11:45:58 GMT
Base version of game with Caucasus Map and 2 planes is free, has always been - Steam or not. Anyway you already have Steam version so might as well stick with it. Some things are different though through Steam so I may not be able to help on all things you might run across with the Steam version. WWII - Spitfire would be very nice for touring imho. Or the free P-51 you got with it would be also. They (DCS) had a free to play program where you could download , install, and fly any of their planes for up to 2 weeks to decide. I think that program is still in effect - but not sure it is available on Steam version of the game. www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2023-07-21/Just paid for some F15 - the cheap one, only 5 bucks with 60% off - and downloaded the Marianas map (6GB), it's free right now on Steam - looks very big, I've probably seen like 5% of it...: Not sure I'll want to pay $60+ for the best planes if I'm only going to take some free flights... Avoiding HOTAS may not work in the long run - but some dude used voice commands and only Index controllers: You can fly the planes just fine using only VR motion controllers - but you cannot land or shoot/fight, lol. For now it's a great experience just flying an airplane, feels very close to being in a real airplane - or at least close enough for me. I just saw that MSFS 2020 for the first time ever is on sale due to Steam's 20 years anniversary, might grab that one too while I'm at it - seems MSFS 2020 has full controller support and does not requires hotas. I have hotas, but need to set it up every time, included unfolding a small table - so hotas does create some friction. Only used it for SW Squadrons so far - but in that game all buttons are already mapped for my Logitech X52. Not sure DCS is that easy to set up... I just asked on the Steam DCS forum which plane has the most buttons for VR motion controllers, but maybe you already know that - the SU-25 and F15 seem too old models and do not have any buttons in the cockpit to press using VR controllers... PS. Fun thing, but DCS also support native Oculus drivers, I tested it with the CV1 last night - maybe my 11 year old can try sitting in a plane :-) Using CV1 Touch controllers the left joystick works and there is a button for zooming in on the dials on the right controller - you do not have these functions using Index controllers. I'm getting the feeling Rift was the devs primary focus when implementing VR support many years ago - Rift CV1 controllers are also shown as pictures under options even if you use Index controllers. But even with native Oculus drivers, performance is less smooth compared to using Index motion smoothing - and of course the res is much better too with the Index. Still impressive how good DCS currently works with very old hmds.
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DCS
Sept 13, 2023 12:06:43 GMT
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Post by Rune on Sept 13, 2023 12:06:43 GMT
My new economy class ride But devs deserve some support, even just for free flights - and 1 buck per 25GB is a bargain
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DCS
Sept 13, 2023 12:17:02 GMT
Post by dburne on Sept 13, 2023 12:17:02 GMT
My new economy class ride But devs deserve some support, even just for free flights - and 1 buck per 25GB is a bargain Nice - enjoy!
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DCS
Sept 13, 2023 15:04:33 GMT
Post by Rune on Sept 13, 2023 15:04:33 GMT
Just one thing - some dude wrote that the AH-64D is fully controllable with VR motion controllers - can you confirm that? I'm not much into choppers, but this could be the exception... Hmmm... Does look like quite a few ... buttons... I'd consider myself a hero just getting it off the ground, lol.
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DCS
Sept 13, 2023 15:08:54 GMT
Post by Rune on Sept 13, 2023 15:08:54 GMT
My new economy class ride But devs deserve some support, even just for free flights - and 1 buck per 25GB is a bargain Nice - enjoy! Thanks - but I guess you have bought it all? All planes, terrains, campaigns?
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DCS
Sept 13, 2023 16:39:26 GMT
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Post by dburne on Sept 13, 2023 16:39:26 GMT
Thanks - but I guess you have bought it all? All planes, terrains, campaigns? I could not imagine it. Very difficult to fly, but a blast learning it. I am still in process of learning, I can take off fly around and land and launch some hellfires. Still got a long way to go though.
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